tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post3286867678367513850..comments2024-03-25T18:50:15.135-04:00Comments on DCmud - The Urban Real Estate Digest of Washington DC: NoMa Greyhound Station Developers Plan Feature ParkKenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08295461340042242438noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-70821426389077343542012-12-06T11:52:38.991-05:002012-12-06T11:52:38.991-05:00The developers should contribute the corner of the...The developers should contribute the corner of their property as well as broader side walks along First and L Streets for a real park with significant landscaping. In return, the developers should be allowed to recapture the density by building higher on the balance of their parcel toward the tracks. The Office of Planning has approved dramatically higher elevations for the adjacent Burnham Place so transitionally it would be of benefitial to all to go higher at Storey Park!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-32365762574548871172012-09-14T06:46:45.894-04:002012-09-14T06:46:45.894-04:00Sorry about my misspelling in my previous post (ri...Sorry about my misspelling in my previous post (right above this post) somewhere in the last few sentences. I meant to say ''Greyhound'' instead of Grehound.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310449527319707134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-87110496253797879942012-09-14T06:44:33.703-04:002012-09-14T06:44:33.703-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310449527319707134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-16470929644187977292012-09-13T10:46:34.725-04:002012-09-13T10:46:34.725-04:00I think that this whole idea of moving Greyhound f...I think that this whole idea of moving Greyhound from it's current location in NoMa to Union Station is outrageously horrible. I mean, what the heck is Washington D.C. doing? Is D.C. going to destroy every single one of it's old buildings until the monuments are the only old structures left standing? D.C. used to be a city that was full of character, but for the last few years or so, it seems that the city is losing more and more character every year with all of it's demolition projects. Back to the Greyhound Station... Yes, I know it's only been standing in it's current location in NoMa since 1983... and yes, I know it's a bit run down, but it's a freakin' Greyhound Station! The building (at least to me) has A LOT of character in it's own way! In some ways, it looks a lot like Greyhound Stations in other major cities, but in some ways it also looks different... and that's the whole beauty of it! If that building gets destroyed, it'll take yet another huge blow to D.C.'s character (as a city), plus it won't be something that can just be brought back. Once it's gone, it's gone! And also, it gives the city more character to have it's own bus terminal AND it's own train station, rather than having them merge together. Not only that, but this whole project will be very inconvenient to people (like me) that ride Greyhound a lot, so why not just leave it alone?! Wasn't the addition of the NoMa Metro Station in 2003 or 2004 enough?? Before the Metro Station was added, you had to walk from Union Station to get to the Greyhound Terminal, but since the addition of the Metro Station, it's an easy walk of only 2 blocks! And last, but not least, why can't D.C. just allow the Greyhound Terminal to co-exist in peace with all the newer buildings that are popping up around it (and take their proposed construction project somewhere else)? I just hope the transition of Grehound from NoMa to Union Station doesn't work out, so Greyhound can stay where it is. In the meantime, I'll try to get in contact with the Historical Preservation Society. Now don't get me started on other projects going on in Washington D.C. right now (like the Wisconsin Avenue Giant food-store)!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310449527319707134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-67646593815476641272012-07-05T11:42:10.059-04:002012-07-05T11:42:10.059-04:00This project MUST replace the stairs to the Met Br...This project MUST replace the stairs to the Met Branch Trail at L Street (right between Greyhound Station and the train tracks) with a RAMP!Walternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-87378788317440164272012-06-04T12:47:54.643-04:002012-06-04T12:47:54.643-04:00Kudos for thinking outside the grid... but,
The a...Kudos for thinking outside the grid... but,<br /><br />The article says a 25' setback, but this does not equate to the developer building a smaller builder (measured in area which is what counts). <br /><br />The article talks about the plaza containing a grand staircase leading to second floor retail (it doesn't seem apparent in plan or renderings). So is this "park" really a community benefit or a use of public property for private gain? Retail space typically rents for much more than office space.<br /><br />As for the park itself, a similar space exists in Clarendon as a result of the metro reconstruction.<br />The space has been pretty much a pass-thru dead zone and is going to be completely rebuilt soon in hopes of creating a better space... good luck. <br /><br />A farmer's market is a possibility, but watching movies or most of the other uses mentioned just don't seem to be realistic expectations. It is all fine and good to think about the possibilities, but anyone proposing something that uses public property should have the duty to point out similar precedents that are successful. <br /><br />It's great that designers are considering alternate solutions in this difficult urban condition, but this idea just doesn't seem to add up and there are questions in my mind as to the real beneficiaries of the proposal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-78945490514238974902012-06-04T11:51:03.293-04:002012-06-04T11:51:03.293-04:00"Weak sauce. If you want a park in NoMa, buil..."Weak sauce. If you want a park in NoMa, build a real park. Not a wide concrete median, but a park. It's in everyone's interest."<br /><br />Then start working with the city, community groups and local businesses and developers to make it happen. Or are you more content to just gripe on a blog?<br /><br />Here's what I don't get about the hand-wringing here: this proposed median park is coming from a developer who is under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to build such a thing. The developer could simply have repaved L Street and been done with it. Instead, they are offering to build what could end up being a nice little amenity where one would otherwise not exist. And the response from some here has been to basically spit on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-88757071642197850812012-06-04T11:47:20.591-04:002012-06-04T11:47:20.591-04:00"What? How is this green space?"
Look a..."What? How is this green space?"<br /><br />Look at the rendering. This isn't rocket science here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-42331891612496723972012-06-04T07:56:35.278-04:002012-06-04T07:56:35.278-04:00Anybody remember the Hubert Humphrey Memorial Plaz...Anybody remember the Hubert Humphrey Memorial Plaza in front of MLK Library? Didn't think so. When the sun went down, it turned into an open-ditch latrine and hobo jungle. This will only work if it's well lit and has LOTS of foot traffic.monkeyroticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09598351715992134492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-6447236727877057802012-06-03T18:33:48.744-04:002012-06-03T18:33:48.744-04:00I like it as long as they plan to close roads duri...I like it as long as they plan to close roads during all events, to make it more of a pedestrian promenade than dissected section of a park tucked between two active streets.ajit_the_princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15514215957766967346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-5899753087168588702012-06-02T03:18:12.516-04:002012-06-02T03:18:12.516-04:00Weak sauce. If you want a park in NoMa, build a re...Weak sauce. If you want a park in NoMa, build a real park. Not a wide concrete median, but a park. It's in everyone's interest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-47071267331003908022012-06-01T22:24:45.772-04:002012-06-01T22:24:45.772-04:00@John:
Yes, the trail would continue into the dev...@John:<br /> Yes, the trail would continue into the development, but bicycles would be encouraged to descend down a new ramp at L (where the stairs are now).Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-42129495049643375112012-06-01T22:24:12.389-04:002012-06-01T22:24:12.389-04:00@4:26 (please, pick a name if you're going to ...@4:26 (please, pick a name if you're going to write multiple comments!):<br />I'm not sure what you're talking about with your derisive "median park" argument. Lincoln Park, Stanton Park, and others *also* have roads all the way around them. And it's a lot easier for a car to crash up onto one of those - with just a curb - than it would be with this one with bollards. <br /><br />Cars and trucks cannot drive through bollards... it's simply not possible, and this would undoubtedly be safe.<br /><br />Besides, it would cost $50M+ just to acquire one of the few remaining vacant lots to build a big park. We're struggling to get any number greater than $0 for parks in NoMa despite the thousands of current (and even more future) residents and workers in the neighborhood.Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-62303814462044697532012-06-01T17:45:39.758-04:002012-06-01T17:45:39.758-04:00I wonder if there is any consideration to continui...I wonder if there is any consideration to continuing the Met Branch Trail as an elevated route behind this development?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11579564088604466696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-64583651815664098592012-06-01T16:26:32.371-04:002012-06-01T16:26:32.371-04:00I should have been more specific. Traveling southb...I should have been more specific. Traveling southbound on N Cap, your opportunities to drive into Capitol Hill NE at a left-turn signal include Fla Ave/P St, L and H (and I forgot about Mass Ave, Constitution). For now, L is the smoothest option even with the buildings being constructed and the bus traffic. I'm not talking about driving through these streets at 40mph (I live in Capitol Hill too), I'm just talking about moving at a reasonable rate. No left turn on M. K is a crazy intersection.<br />I'm not opposed to community green space, but I am opposed to something that makes little sense for traffic flow and especially pedestrian safety. I wouldn't want my kids playing in a median park no matter how close together the bollards are. Design and build a proper parkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-24993423337742150142012-06-01T13:22:03.430-04:002012-06-01T13:22:03.430-04:00@Anon 3:55 -
Through streets are Florida, M, L, K...@Anon 3:55 - <br />Through streets are Florida, M, L, K and H. Not just Florida, L, and H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-50879313037867518992012-06-01T12:23:49.147-04:002012-06-01T12:23:49.147-04:00"Are you really worried about cars crashing t..."Are you really worried about cars crashing through?? If that's the problem, we should abolish all the sidewalks in the city, they are disasters waiting to happen."<br /><br />Sidewalks have curbs and aren't placed in the center of a road/street grid, smart guy.<br /><br />"And even if it's *not* done particularly well, it's still green space in a sea of concrete, glass and steel."<br /><br />What? How is this green space? This is literally more concrete in the sea of concrete you mention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-73671182381757005752012-06-01T12:10:27.632-04:002012-06-01T12:10:27.632-04:00I also like the idea - an event space would be won...I also like the idea - an event space would be wonderful (I live in Truxton Circle and already enjoy NOMA's movies and farmer's market) and more retail would be great. And I think that its absurd to worry about cars driving through it (although I suspect anyone claiming that worry opposes the idea for other reasons).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-56266259799167188802012-06-01T11:57:06.613-04:002012-06-01T11:57:06.613-04:00All of you complaining about a park in the median ...All of you complaining about a park in the median that supposedly no one will use: you've never strolled along Comm Ave. in Boston, have you? Done well, a media park can be a great amenity. And even if it's *not* done particularly well, it's still green space in a sea of concrete, glass and steel. Nothing wrong with that.<br /><br />Oh, and with regards to the hand-wringing about pedestrian safety: this is l Street we're talking about, not 395. Look at the rendering: I would be surprised if a car could attain a speed of greater than 20 MPH along this stretch of road. It's really a non-issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-28378948203513464782012-06-01T11:33:51.563-04:002012-06-01T11:33:51.563-04:00It makes me giddy too! In the words of Nelson, &qu...It makes me giddy too! In the words of Nelson, "haha."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-18319701342319179422012-06-01T11:12:51.650-04:002012-06-01T11:12:51.650-04:00Why have people gather in between two lanes of tra...Why have people gather in between two lanes of traffic? Why not push it to one side where it could work? Are architect / planners really this disconnected from reality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-67564042585093414422012-06-01T10:49:08.210-04:002012-06-01T10:49:08.210-04:00I think some people are taking these concepts too ...I think some people are taking these concepts too literally. <br /><br />Sounds to me like we have a commitment from a developer to not only give up some of their space (not something to take for granted) but to also build a ton of retail which NoMa will desperately need if it's going to sustain all the residential growth planned and underway. Is this particular public space going to meet all the needs of everyone's wishlist? No probably not but as indicated in the article it is a piece to the larger puzzle and I think it has potential to be very cool.<br /><br />PS anytime someone gets mad that they can't drive their car faster through our neighborhoods it makes me a little bit happy.Campyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18118025199736523207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-15097411917329568152012-06-01T10:48:26.340-04:002012-06-01T10:48:26.340-04:00I think this is great. Are you really worried abo...I think this is great. Are you really worried about cars crashing through?? If that's the problem, we should abolish all the sidewalks in the city, they are disasters waiting to happen.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-51808685223308949142012-06-01T08:18:21.621-04:002012-06-01T08:18:21.621-04:00And by the way, if a park is more important, then ...And by the way, if a park is more important, then why not convert one of the surrounding dirt parking lots into an actual park instead of some harvard architect's lame idea?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-77388118078233804492012-06-01T08:13:12.033-04:002012-06-01T08:13:12.033-04:00Tony, I'm talking about the incomprehensible b...Tony, I'm talking about the incomprehensible bilateral juxtaposition of vehicular traffic with a narrow pedestrian plaza. Both will not occupy that dangerously limited spaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com