tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post8629271675263223149..comments2024-03-25T18:50:15.135-04:00Comments on DCmud - The Urban Real Estate Digest of Washington DC: O Street Market: The Possibility of ProgressKenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08295461340042242438noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-6039132213240363392011-02-05T12:55:13.292-05:002011-02-05T12:55:13.292-05:00The reason this looks like everything else is the ...The reason this looks like everything else is the "dc box" phenomenon- in order to make money and fit the highest and best use, architects are forced to make a decorated box, its a problem with the zoningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-58994687615573988312010-09-02T14:06:38.495-04:002010-09-02T14:06:38.495-04:00This is such a gift for the neighborhood and I lov...This is such a gift for the neighborhood and I love the multi use concept and the design.<br /><br />I think it is great the Mayor is behind this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-39212787557222719802010-07-16T03:18:40.821-04:002010-07-16T03:18:40.821-04:00My problem with this whole situation is that, it t...My problem with this whole situation is that, it took Eastern Market to get rebuilt in as little as a year after the fire. This structure has been down for how long? And no one could even get the plans right enough to even start the building process. Stop playing politics people and get the damn thing done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-70561737198536353542010-06-08T09:54:54.517-04:002010-06-08T09:54:54.517-04:00It is totaly shocking how the developers " ro...It is totaly shocking how the developers " roadside" the minority white owners of the O Street property are stilling the property from African Americans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-48888235845815816672010-05-03T22:03:46.311-04:002010-05-03T22:03:46.311-04:00I would be really glad if the O Street Market ever...I would be really glad if the O Street Market ever gets rebuilt....but I don't see how anyone looks at these designs and passionately defends them, they are run-of-the-mill. Much better than whats there, just as good as most large buildings going up today....but NOT SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT! Its funny how all the so-called "experts" are always driving the bus into the ditch. I remember when people were saying the same kinds of things about the firm that designed Nationals Park, "prominent", "excellent designs", "award winning", etc and look what went up...mediocre at best. But good luck getting it built....anything there would be an improvement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-30348225722569844382010-05-02T13:39:41.807-04:002010-05-02T13:39:41.807-04:00Part of that design reminds me of that behemoth of...Part of that design reminds me of that behemoth of ugliness at 14th and U...from the 1980's!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-51075771345360631802010-05-02T13:38:35.990-04:002010-05-02T13:38:35.990-04:00Part of that design reminds me of that behemoth of...Part of that design reminds me of that behemoth of a mess at 14th and U..built in the 80's!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-49452060082445299182010-04-28T12:02:57.639-04:002010-04-28T12:02:57.639-04:00I think it's ugly too, but it's way better...I think it's ugly too, but it's way better than what's there now.<br /><br />The addison square project just north of O Street looks incredible in comparisson. Really nicely done in my opinion. Hope that gets off the ground too, as it's right across the street from my house.KStreetQBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12768187333860525423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-42459792612572651382010-04-28T07:48:00.667-04:002010-04-28T07:48:00.667-04:00I'm sorry, but I, too, think the design is rat...I'm sorry, but I, too, think the design is rather unattractive. Then again I also think places like Lake Anne in Reston are unattractive, and supposedly that is the epitome of "awesome" architecture in Metro DC, so maybe I'm just the oddball.Restonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-49428804026088278552010-04-28T06:44:14.121-04:002010-04-28T06:44:14.121-04:00Thank you. That's all I was trying to say. S...Thank you. That's all I was trying to say. Shalom!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-87166158832512703112010-04-27T18:06:34.902-04:002010-04-27T18:06:34.902-04:00I'll skip all the verbosity and say that I jus...I'll skip all the verbosity and say that I just think its ugly and monotonous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-41717425661234541682010-04-26T16:05:47.694-04:002010-04-26T16:05:47.694-04:00"As for the 90% figure.... well only if you i..."As for the 90% figure.... well only if you include all the Toll Brothers suburban housing and their like. Most commercial architecture is very much in a contemporary style, especially in the urban areas."<br /><br />The reason residential architecture tends to be mostly traditional is that's the only architectural choice many of us get to have. You can leave them off your ledger, but that wouldn't be an accurate analysis. <br /><br />On his name, I apologize, it's Shalom, I didn't mean any disrespect. Like I said, he does nice work for what he does, I just wish he would step outside his glass box now and again. We'll just agree to disagree on everything else.<br />Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-18520656939281839132010-04-26T15:41:56.272-04:002010-04-26T15:41:56.272-04:00I will let you argue with yourself the difference ...I will let you argue with yourself the difference between a style being everywhere and a style being dominant. <br /><br />You are correct that Post-modernism is not a style, but postmodernism most definitely is, look it up. As a style, postmodernism is still used by some very good architects (locally Greenberg and Schwarz are examples) and many "production firms" that design buildings, but I don't qualify that as architecture, just building. As for the 90% figure.... well only if you include all the Toll Brothers suburban housing and their like. Most commercial architecture is very much in a contemporary style, especially in the urban areas. <br /><br />As for one-trick pony comment, again, unfounded and simply wrong. Look at their website and you will see more variation in designs than any architect I can think of with the possible exception of Polshek. You have made the charge, so come up with some evidence... name a DC firm who has produced a more stylistically varied body of work. <br /><br />Lastly, in addition to being factually incorrect, your repeated and seemingly intentional misspelling of Shalom's name is very rude. I say seemingly only because your messages contain so many other misspellings it is hard to know for certain if your intention was to be insulting. Shalom Baranes, FAIA is the respected leader of one of DC's largest architecture firm with many talented architects. If you have a criticism of the firm's work, then it should be directed to the firm and not your personal nickname for the firm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-81923641500445527042010-04-26T14:25:26.511-04:002010-04-26T14:25:26.511-04:00Man, you're spicey, but this ought to be fun!
...Man, you're spicey, but this ought to be fun!<br /><br />"(SBA) is designing buildings in the style that most other architects employee today, and you have a problem with this"<br /><br />-I said the style is everywhere, not dominant. If you look at anything besides glossy architectural periodicals, you'd know that to be true.<br /><br />"That was known as contextualism, itself a subset of the post-modern style that concluded 20 some years ago"<br /><br />-Post-modernism isn't a style, but if you think it and contextualism died 20 years ago, you might want to remind 90% of the market, which like it or not, designs and build in traditional styles (sometimes even contextually, a sub-set of good manners).<br /><br />Look, there's plenty to like from any style, it's just that Shalome is a one trick pony. It's a pretty trick, but a bit stale, especially when applied to every project regardless of context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-42497125662685271852010-04-26T13:49:19.574-04:002010-04-26T13:49:19.574-04:00So to summarize your argument, Shalom Baranes and ...So to summarize your argument, Shalom Baranes and Associates (SBA) is designing buildings in the style that most other architects employee today, and you have a problem with this. But SBA at one-time designed buildings you did like the style of because they fit-in to the context. That was known as contextualism, itself a subset of the post-modern style that concluded 20 some years ago. Architecture is an art and like all arts, does follow larger style trends. <br />As for the generalization made of the stylistic device (off-center bay with vertical element), SBA's best known recent designs do not have this in the design. I am referring to:<br />22 West, the two Ritz projects, the Columbia Condo, the Odyssey,<br />the Waterfront project in Southwest, the Nigerian Chancery, or the Cityline Project. While I agree that the device you stated is overused in today's architecture, I do not think you can fairly say that SBA has overused this stylistic device. <br />As for the comment, mass production, while there are some firms that could fairly receive that label, SBA is definitely not in that group. While you may not agree with the style that is being used by most architects today, it is unfair and simply incorrect to lump your comments of this onto the excellent body of work that this firm has produced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-38733727213692464802010-04-26T10:41:13.888-04:002010-04-26T10:41:13.888-04:00If I could draw a diagram I would. The scheme of ...If I could draw a diagram I would. The scheme of the asymetrical bay with the off center vertical element is everywhere, including Shalome's work of the past decade. There was a time when Shalome would have done a building here that didn't so thoroughly disregard its context, but in fairness that's a problem with a lot of infill. There version of this formulaic design is slicker than say Coldbert's, but it's always the same. I guess like any mass production, it makes good economic sense, but makes for a boaring street scape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-66030637005967512392010-04-26T10:01:47.920-04:002010-04-26T10:01:47.920-04:00Junk?....This architectural design firm, Shalom Ba...Junk?....This architectural design firm, Shalom Baranes Associates, produces some of the most consistent and excellent designs of any firm in DC, as evidenced by the long list of design awards it receives. I don't see where this building is a repeats anything more than the excellence that this firms produces. Can the previous commenter provide any comment of substance that can be debated?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22305958.post-52722166785611454872010-04-23T13:06:06.923-04:002010-04-23T13:06:06.923-04:00Does Shalome have any other designs in his bag of ...Does Shalome have any other designs in his bag of tricks? Same old junk!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com